USA: Are we in a hot or cold civil war?

In this video, Dan Lier interviews Peter Montoya about his latest book and asks why Peter believes that we are currently in a civil war. Then Peter responds by dissecting our current political divide and the nature of modern warfare, and Dan applies this to his own experiences.

So question is and you know, I talk to people all the time, and I feel like this is such a great opportunity for you, because most people are not happy with what’s going on, but they don’t really know why.

 

I mean, they can say it, they can say it. They’ll say, oh, you know, some people are mean or people are rude, or then or they’ll go party specific, like, oh, those Democrats or those Republicans, but we’re not getting anywhere.

 

So I think this is really fascinating. So what is this conflict all about? What are the dividing lines and why do you think we’re in a second civil war?

 

Great question. So there are two different types of war. There are hot wars and cold wars. Hot wars are fought with violence, whether it be guns or rifles or bats or machetes, where you’re committing violence or even genocide on one side.

 

And then there are cold wars and cold wars are everything that are not hot. And what I think we’re in right now, unlike our first civil war, our first civil war was definitely a hot civil war where 620,000 troops died and about 750,000 total Americans died in the first war.

 

We were right now in a war that’s largely cold. Last year, there were about thirty two deaths at riots or shootings or bombings last year, which is absolutely horrible. I haven’t seen the tally for this year, but it’s certainly happening right now as a cold civil war.

 

And how that’s being played out is largely at the social level. It is friend against friend, family member against family member or employer, employee against employee employee or something like that. How that looks like today is it looks like shaming, shunning an expulsion.

 

So the first thing is we will get into a political argument with somebody. And we, you know, tensions automatically ratchet. They get very, very quickly from you saying, well, yeah, I like to own guns. The other person going, oh, my God, I can’t believe you’re one of those people.

 

And all of a sudden we create this whole identity around you. We then start you might be shamed like you’re one of those people. I can’t believe you think that we question your morality or we question your loyalty.

 

So there’s the shaming, kind of like that threatening of like if you don’t change your behavior, I’m not going to be friends with you anymore. And then it quickly escalate into some version of shunning to expel where we go.

 

OK, well, you know, I’m defending you on social media or I’m not inviting you to my house anymore or I’m just not going to see you anymore. And the kind of war that’s being fought right now, it isn’t between two big armies.

 

I’ve called both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, and I’ve asked them each, do you want to annihilate the other party? Do you want the other party gone? And both parties have said absolutely not. We want to beat them at the ballot box.

 

But having at least two parties and probably more is in our national interest to have this kind of these war of ideas. So, no, we do not want the other party gone. And so this war is really being fought at the social level.

 

It is a social civil war.

 

Yeah. I mean, I well, I don’t know if I told you this or not, but I was having dinner with my kids when they were back home. And, of course, all the social discourse that’s going on. And I asked both of my kids, do you think we live in a racist country?

 

And they said yes. And so literally, my kids are looking at me in a way that they’ve never looked at me before because of the social battle lines, these artificial social battle lines that are out on a tick tock.

 

And Twitter and where they learn these things. So it’s very scary, Peter, because I mean, for the first time that I’ve seen and I think you’re hitting it right on the head there, first time I’ve seen it in my life that children and I say children, I mean, young adults are rising up against their parents and calling

 

them racists or whatever, you know, whatever they be. It’s crazy. And I and I.

 

Yeah, I’ll jump in and comment on that. But I think you’re absolutely right. And what I hear you saying, Dan, is you are expressing pain. And there’s no question there’s no question is the pain that almost all Americans are feeling right now to some degree.

 

And that is the civil war that we’re in, where we have children or parents or aunts, uncles or friends, where we feel we can’t talk to them anymore or we feel judged in some regard or disparaged. So, Dan, first of all, I’m really sorry.

 

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